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of the CNN and
the New York Times Democratic presidential
debate. The prime-time live event is moderated
by Erin Burnett, Anderson Cooper, and Marc Lacey
at Otterbein University in Westerville, Ohio.
Presidential candidates on stage include: Former Vice President Joe Biden, New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro, Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, California Sen. Kamala Harris, Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, businessman Tom Steyer, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and businessman Andrew Yang.
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COOPER:
And welcome back to the CNN-New York Times
Democratic presidential debate. Mark Lacey
from the New York Times starts off our
questioning. Mark?
LACEY:
Thank you. Let's turn to the growing
concerns over the power of big tech
companies. Mr. Yang, Senator Warren is
calling for companies like Facebook, Amazon,
and Google to be broken up. Is she right?
Does that need to happen?
YANG:
As usual, Senator Warren is 100 percent
right in diagnosing the problem. There are
absolutely excesses in technology and in
some cases having them divest parts of their
business is the right move.
But we
also have to be realistic that competition
doesn't solve all the problems. It's not
like any of us wants to use the fourth best
navigation app. That would be like cruel and
unusual punishment. There is a reason why no
one is using Bing today. Sorry, Microsoft.
It's true.
So it's
not like breaking up these big tech
companies will revive Main Street businesses
around the country. And as the parent of two
young children, I'm particularly concerned
about screen use and its effect on our
children. Studies clearly show that we're
seeing record levels of anxiety and
depression coincident with smartphone
adoption and social media use.
Breaking
up the tech companies does nothing to make
our kids healthier. What we have to do is we
have to hone in on the specific problems
we're trying to solve and use 21st century
solutions for 21st century problems. Using a
20th century antitrust framework will not
work. We need new solutions and a new
toolkit.
LACEY:
Thank you. Senator Warren, is Mr. Yang
wrong? Your response, please.
WARREN:
Look, I'm not willing to give up and let a
handful of monopolists dominate our economy
and our democracy. It's time to fight back.
Think about it this way. When you talk about
how it works in competition, about 8
percent, 9 percent of all retail sales
happen at bricks and sticks stores, happen
at Walmart. About 49 percent of all sales
online happen in one place: that's Amazon.
It
collects information from every little
business, and then Amazon does something
else. It runs the platform, gets all the
information, and then goes into competition
with those little businesses. Look, you get
to be the umpire in the baseball game, or
you get to have a team, but you don't get to
do both at the same time. We need to enforce
our antitrust laws, break up these giant
companies that are dominating, big tech, big
pharma, big oil, all of them.
LACEY:
Thank you, Senator.
Mr.
Steyer, your response?
STEYER:
Look, I agree with Senator Warren that, in
fact, monopolies have to be dealt with. They
either have to be broken up or regulated,
and that's part of it.
But we
have to understand that Mr. Trump is going
to be running on the economy. He's going to
be saying he's the person who can make it
grow. I started a business from scratch --
one room, no employers -- and built a
multi-billion-dollar international business.
We're going to have to show the American
people that we don't just know how to tax
and have programs to break up companies but
also talk about prosperity, talk about
investing in the American people, talk about
harnessing the innovation and competition of
the American private sector.
In
fact, if we want to beat Mr. Trump, I think
somebody who can go toe to toe with him and
show him to be a fraud and a failure as a
businessperson, and a fraud and a failure as
a steward of the American economy is going
to be necessary. He is one. His tax plan's a
failure. His trade war is a failure. I would
love to take him on as a real businessman
and show that, in fact, he's failed the
American people, and he has to go.
LACEY:
Thank you, Mr. Steyer.
Senator
Booker, how do you respond? Would a
President Booker break up big tech companies
like Facebook and Amazon?
BOOKER:
Anybody that does not think that we have a
massive crisis in our democracy with the way
these tech companies are being used, not
just in terms of anti-competitive practices,
but also to undermine our democracy -- we
have seen it in the '16 election practices
being used that have not been corrected now.
We need regulation and reform.
And
antitrust, I mean Robert Bork right now is
laughing in his sleep. We have a reality in
this country where antitrust, from pharma to
farms, is causing trouble, and we have to
deal with this. As president of the United
States, I will put people in place that
enforce antitrust laws.
And I
want to say one last thing, and I feel
qualified to say this as the vegan on the
stage. Going back to the fact that we --
it's rich to me that we asked three people
about their health when looking at this
stage we know that the most unhealthy person
running for the presidency in 2020 is Donald
Trump.
(APPLAUSE)
LACEY:
Thank you, Senator.
Congressman
O'Rourke, you say you're not sure if it's
appropriate for a president to designate
which companies should be broken up. So
what's the proper level of oversight here?
O'ROURKE:
Yeah, we need to set very tough, very clear,
transparent rules of the road, the kind of
rules that we do not have today, that allow
these social media platforms, where we, the
people, have become the product, to abuse
that public trust, and to do so at
extraordinary profits.
Right
now, we treat them functionally as a
utility, when, in reality, they're more akin
to a publisher. They curate the content that
we see. Our pictures and personal
information that they share with others, we
would allow no publisher to do what Facebook
is doing, to publish that ad that Senator
Warren has rightfully called out, that CNN has
refused to air because it is untrue and
tells lies about the vice president, treat
them like the publisher that they are.
That's what I will do as president.
And we
will be unafraid to break up big businesses
if we have to do that, but I don't think it
is the role of a president or a candidate
for the presidency to specifically call out
which companies will be broken up. That's
something that Donald Trump has done, in
part because he sees enemies in the press
and wants to diminish their power. It's not
something that we should do.
So
tough rules of the road, protect your
personal information, privacy, and data, and
be fearless in the face of these tech
giants.
LACEY:
Senator Sanders, your response?
SANDERS:
When we talk about a rigged economy, it's
not just the grotesque level of income and
wealth inequality. It is also the fact that
in sector after sector, whether it is Wall
Street, where you have six banks that have
assets equivalent to half of the GDP of the
United States, whether it is media, where
you have 10 media companies that control
about 90 percent of what the American people
see, hear, or read, whether it is
agribusiness, where we see merger after
merger which is resulting in the decline of
family-based farming in this country, we
need a president who has the guts to appoint
an attorney general who will take on these
huge monopolies, protect small business, and
protect consumers by ending the price fixing
that we see every day.
LACEY:
Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Senator.
Senator
Harris, to you, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg
says that splitting up big tech companies
will make election interference more likely
because the companies won't be able to work
together to fight it. Could breaking up
these companies make the spread of
disinformation worse?
HARRIS:
No, I don't agree with that at all. And
serving on the Senate Intelligence
Committee, working with Amy Klobuchar on
what we need to do to upgrade the elections
infrastructure, knowing that Russia needs to
be held accountable for the fact that they
interfered in the election of the president
of the United States and will attempt to do
it again, that's -- that's a ridiculous
argument he's making.
But I
do want to also say this. What we're talking
about is a grave injustice, when rules apply
to some but not equally to all, and in
particular when the rules that apply to the
powerless don't apply to the powerful.
And so,
Senator Warren, I just want to say that I
was surprised to hear that you did not agree
with me that on this subject of what should
be the rules around corporate responsibility
for these big tech companies, when I called
on Twitter to suspend Donald Trump's
account, that you did not agree, and I would
urge you to join me.
Because
here we have Donald Trump, who has 65
million Twitter followers and is using that
platform as the president of the United
States to openly intimidate witnesses, to
threaten witnesses, to obstruct justice, and
he and his account should be taken down.
We saw
in El Paso that that shooter in his
manifesto was informed by how Donald Trump
uses that platform, and this is a matter of
corporate responsibility. Twitter should be
held accountable and shut down that site. It
is a matter of safety and corporate
accountability.
LACEY:
Thank you. Senator Warren, you can respond.
WARREN:
So, look, I don't just want to push Donald
Trump off Twitter. I want to push him out of
the White House. That's our job.
HARRIS:
Well, join me -- join me in saying that his
Twitter account should be shut down.
WARREN:
But let's figure -- no. Let's figure out...
HARRIS:
No?
WARREN:
... why it is that we have had laws on the
books for antitrust for over a century, and
yet for decades now, we've all called on how
the big drug companies are calling the shots
in Washington, big ag, how the gun industry,
big tech -- you know, we really need to
address the elephant in the room, and that
is how campaigns are financed.
HARRIS:
You can't say you're for corporate
responsibility if it doesn't apply to
everyone.
WARREN:
I announced this morning -- I announced this
morning that I'm not going to take any money
from big tech executives, from Wall Street
executives. We've already agreed, Bernie and
I, we're not taking any money from big
pharma executives.
You
can't go behind closed doors and take the
money of these executives and then turn
around and expect that these are the people
who are actually finally going to enforce
the laws. We need campaign finance rules and
practices...
LACEY:
Thank you, Senator Warren. Senator Harris?
WARREN:
... that support us all.
HARRIS:
You -- it does not represent a system of
justice to say that the rules will apply
differently to different people. This is a
matter, you are saying, of holding big tech
accountable.
WARREN:
Yes.
HARRIS:
Holding big tech accountable because they
have an outsized influence on people's
perceptions about issues, and they actually
influence behaviors. We all have to agree
this is their power. It is immense.
LACEY:
Senator Klobuchar, let me bring you in here.
(CROSSTALK)
LACEY:
Your response?
HARRIS:
I'm not finished. I'm not finished.
(CROSSTALK)
HARRIS:
And so what I am saying is that it seems to
me that you would be able to join me in
saying the rule has to apply to Twitter the
same way it does to Facebook.
WARREN:
Look, I think all of the rules should apply
across the board. I don't have a problem
with that.
HARRIS:
So you will join me in saying Twitter should
shut down that account?
WARREN:
What I do have a problem with is that if
we're going to talk seriously about breaking
up big tech, then we should ask if people
are taking money from the big tech
executives. If we're going to talk seriously
about breaking up big drug companies, we
should ask if people are financing their
campaigns by taking money from big drug
executives. If we are going to talk about
Wall Street and having some serious
regulation over Wall Street, we should ask
if people are funding their campaigns by
taking money from those executives.
LACEY:
Thank you, Senator. Senator Klobuchar, let's
bring you in here.
(CROSSTALK)
KLOBUCHAR:
I would like to have a different take on
this. I was in the private sector for 14
years, represented companies that were
fighting to get into the telecom markets. I
had a life before government.
And
what I saw was when we got more competition
there, the prices went down in a big way in
the long distance market. Well, right now we
have another gilded age going on, and I am
the lead Democrat on the Antitrust
Committee. I have the lead legislation,
which means, one, changing the standard so
we can do a better job of doing just what
we've been talking about here, is breaking
down some of this consolidation, and also
making sure that the enforcers have the
resources to take them on because they're so
overwhelmed.
But the
issue here is this. Start talking about this
as a pro-competition issue. This used to be
a Republican and Democratic issue, because
America, our founding fathers, actually
wanted to have less consolidation. We were a
place of entrepreneurship. We are seeing a
startup slump in this country.
LACEY:
Thank you, Senator. Secretary Castro, would
you like to weigh in?
KLOBUCHAR:
And this means everything from tech on down.
LACEY:
Please respond.
CASTRO:
Yeah, I think that we're on the right track
in terms of updating how we look at
monopolistic practices and setting, as
Congressman O'Rourke said, rules for the
road that match the challenges that we face
today.
And,
you know, whether that's Amazon that is
leveraging its size I think to help put
small businesses out of business, and then
at the same time shortchanging a lot of its
workers, not paying them as they should, not
giving them the benefits that they should,
or it's a number of other companies, big
tech companies. We need to take a stronger
stance when it comes to cracking down on
monopolistic trade practices, and that's
what I would do as president.
LACEY:
Thank you, Mr. Secretary.
(CROSSTALK)
YANG:
The best way we can fight back -- the best
way we can fight back against big tech
companies is to say our data is our
property. Right now, our data is worth more
than oil. How many of you remember getting
your data check in the mail? It got lost. It
went to Facebook, Amazon, Google. If we say
this is our property and we share in the
gains, that's the best way we can balance
the scales against the big tech companies.
BURNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Yang.
GABBARD:
There's a bigger issue here...
BURNETT:
Turning to women's reproductive rights, Ohio
is now one of several states that has banned
abortions after as early as six weeks of
pregnancy. Many women don't even know
they're pregnant at that time. The Ohio law,
like many others, is being challenged in the
courts and has not yet taken effect. Senator
Harris, if states prevail on restricting
abortion, what's your plan to stop them?
HARRIS:
My plan is as -- as follows. For any state
that passes a law that violates the
Constitution, and in particular Roe v. Wade,
our Department of Justice will review that
law to determine if it is compliant with Roe
v. Wade and the Constitution, and if it is
not, that law will not go into effect.
That's called pre-clearance.
Because
the reality is that while we still have --
as I said earlier -- these state legislators
who are outdated and out of touch, mostly
men who are telling women what to do with
their bodies, then there needs to be
accountability and consequence.
(APPLAUSE)
But,
you know, I'll go further. You may have seen
it. I questioned Brett Kavanaugh when I was
a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee
and asked him as a nominee to serve on the
United States Supreme Court, could he think
of any law that tells a man what to do with
his body? And the answer was, uh, uh, no.
The
reality of it is, this is still a
fundamental issue of justice for women in
America. Women have been given the
responsibility to perpetuate the human
species. Our bodies were created to do that.
And it does not give any other person the
right to tell a woman what to do with that
body. It is her body. It is her right. It is
her decision.
(APPLAUSE)
BURNETT:
Senator Harris, thank you.
Senator
Klobuchar, what would you do to stop states
from prevailing? Your response?
KLOBUCHAR:
I would codify Roe v. Wade and make it the
law of the land. But what I want to do right
now is just say, what if Donald Trump was
standing up here on the debate stage with
me? You know what I would say to him? I
said, you knew -- you said you wanted to do
this in your race for president. You
actually said that you wanted to put women
in jail. Then you tried to dial it back, and
you said you wanted to put doctors in jail.
That is
exactly what the Alabama law is. It put
doctors in jail for 99 years. You, Donald
Trump, are not on the side of women. You are
not on the side of people of this country,
when over 75 percent of people want to keep
Roe v. Wade on the book, when over 90
percent of people want to make sure we have
available contraception. You defunded
Planned Parenthood. I would fund it again.
BURNETT:
Senator, thank you.
Senator
Booker, if states prevail on restricting
abortion, how would you stop them? Please
respond.
BOOKER:
Well, first of all, let's be clear about
these laws we see from Alabama to Ohio.
They're not just attacks on one of the most
sacrosanct ideals in our country -- liberty,
the ability to control your own body -- but
they're particularly another example of
people trying to punish, trying to penalize,
trying to criminalize poverty, because this
is disproportionately affecting low-income
women in this country, people in rural areas
in this country. It is an assault on the
most fundamental ideal that human beings
should control their own body.
And so
the way as president of the United States
I'm going to deal with this is, first of
all, elevating it like we have with other
national crises to a White House-level
position. And I will create the Office of
Reproductive Freedom and Reproductive Rights
in the White House and make sure that we
begin to fight back on a systematic attempt
that's gone on for decades to undermine Roe
v. Wade.
I will
fight to codify it, and I will also make
sure that we fight as this country to repeal
the Hyde amendment, so that we are leading
the Planet Earth in defending the global
assault we see on women right now.
BURNETT:
Thank you, Senator.
Congresswoman
Gabbard, your response?
GABBARD:
This is often one of the most difficult
decisions that a woman will ever have to
make, and it's unfortunate to see how in
this country it has for so long been used as
a divisive political weapon.
I agree
with Hillary Clinton on one thing, disagree
with her on many others, but when she said
abortion should be safe, legal, and rare, I
think she's correct. We see how the
consequences of laws that you're referring
to can often lead to a dangerous place, as
we've seen them as they're passed in other
countries, where a woman who has a
miscarriage past that six weeks could be
imprisoned because abortion would be illegal
at that point.
I do,
however, think that there should be some
restrictions in place. I support codifying
Roe v. Wade while making sure that, during
the third trimester, abortion is not an
option unless the life or severe health
consequences of a woman are at risk.
BURNETT:
Thank you very much.
The
Supreme Court is currently made up of five
Republican-appointed justices and four
appointed by Democrats. The court just
announced it will hear arguments in a case
challenging some abortion rights.
Vice
President Biden, the Constitution does not
specify the number of justices that serve on
the Supreme Court. If Roe v. Wade is
overturned on your watch and you can't pass
legislation in Congress, would you seek to
add justices to the Supreme Court to protect
women's reproductive rights?
BIDEN:
I would not get into court packing. We had
three justices. Next time around, we lose
control, they add three justices. We begin
to lose any credibility the court has at
all.
I want
to point out that the justices I've
supported, when I defeated Robert Bork --
and I say when I defeated Robert Bork, I
made sure we guaranteed a woman's right to
choose for the better part of a generation.
I would make sure that we move and insist
that we pass, we codify Roe v. Wade.
The
public is already there. Things have
changed. And I would go out and I would
campaign against those people in the state
of Ohio, Alabama, et cetera, who in fact are
throwing up this barrier. Reproductive
rights are a constitutional right. And, in
fact, every woman should have that right.
And so
I would not pack the court. What I would do
is make sure that the people that I
recommended for the court, from Ruth Bader
Ginsburg to Elena Kagan, who used to work
for me, to others, that they, in fact,
support the right of privacy, on which the
entire notion of a woman's right to choose
is based. And that's what I would do. No one
would get on the court.
And by
the way, if, in fact, at the end of this --
beginning next year, if, in fact, one of the
justices steps down, God forbid, in fact, I
would make sure that we would do exactly
what McConnell did last time out. We would
not allow any hearing to be held for a new
justice.
BURNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
Mayor
Buttigieg, you have discussed expanding the
court from 9 to 15 justices. What's your
response to the vice president?
BUTTIGIEG:
That's right. When I proposed reforming the
Supreme Court, some folks said that was too
bold to even contemplate. Now, I'm not
talking about packing the court just with
people who agree with me, although I
certainly will appoint people who share my
values, for example, the idea that women's
reproductive freedom is an American right.
What
I'm talking about is reforms that will
depoliticize the court. We can't go on like
this, where every single time there is a
vacancy, we have this apocalyptic
ideological firefight over what to do next.
Now,
one way to fix this would be to have a
15-member court where five of the members
can only be appointed by unanimous agreement
of the other 10. Smarter legal minds than
mine are discussing this in the Yale Law
Journal and how this could be done without a
constitutional amendment. But the point is
that not everybody arrives on a partisan
basis.
There
are other reforms that we could consider,
from term limits -- don't forget, justices
used to just retire like everybody else --
to a rotation off the appellate bench.
BURNETT:
Thank you.
BUTTIGIEG:
I'm not wedded to a particular solution, but
I am committed to establishing a commission
on day one...
BURNETT:
Thank you, Mayor Buttigieg.
BUTTIGIEG:
... that will propose reforms to
depoliticize the Supreme Court, because we
can't go on like this.
BURNETT:
Thank you very much, Mayor Buttigieg.
Secretary Castro, he's talking about making
the court bigger. Your response? Is it a
good idea?
CASTRO:
I don't think it is. I wouldn't pack the
court. You know, I think the plan that Mayor
Pete mentioned is an interesting one, but I
actually believe, if we were selecting from
one of those things, that the smarter move
might be to look at term limits or having
people cycle off from the appellate courts
so that you would have a replenishment of
perspective.
I would
also make sure that I appoint as president
people who respect the precedent of Roe v.
Wade, that we codify Roe v. Wade, and that
we do away with things like the Hyde
amendment, because you shouldn't only be
able to have reproductive freedom if you
have money. We have to think about people
who do not, people who are poor. And we have
to concern ourselves not only with
reproductive freedom, but also reproductive
justice and invest in the ability of every
woman to be able to make a choice and to be
able to have her health care needs met.
BURNETT:
Senator Warren, would you consider adding
more justices to the Supreme Court to
protect Roe v. Wade? Your response?
WARREN:
I think there are a number of options. I
think, as Mayor Buttigieg said, there are
many different ways. People are talking
about different options, and I think we may
have to talk about them.
But on
Roe v. Wade, can we just pause for a minute
here? I lived in an America where abortion
was illegal, and rich women still got
abortions, because they could travel, they
could go to places where it was legal.
What
we're talking about now is that the people
who are denied access to abortion are the
poor, are the young, are 14-year-olds who
were molested by a family member. And we now
have support across this country. Three out
of four Americans believe in the rule of Roe
v. Wade. When you've got three out of four
Americans supporting it, we should be able
to get that passed through Congress.
BURNETT:
Senator, thank you.
WARREN:
We should not leave this to the Supreme
Court. We should do it through democracy,
because we can.
BURNETT:
Thank you very much, Senator.
COOPER:
As some of you have indicated, the
differences between all of you on this stage
are tiny compared to the differences between
you and President Trump. There are, however,
fundamental differences between many of you
on this stage.
Vice
President Biden, just on either side of you,
Senator Warren is calling for big structural
change. Senator Sanders is calling for a
political revolution. Will their visions
attract the kind of voters that the
Democrats need to beat Donald Trump?
BIDEN:
Well, I think their vision is attracting a
lot of people, and I think a lot of what
they have to say is really important. But,
you know, Senator Warren said we can't be
running any vague campaigns. We've got to
level with people. We've got to level with
people and tell them exactly what we're
going to do, how we're going to get it done,
and if you can get it done.
I'm
going to say something that is probably
going to offend some people here, but I'm
the only one on this stage that has gotten
anything really big done, from the Violence
Against Women Act to making sure that we
pass the Affordable Care Act to being in a
position where we, in fact, took almost a
$90 billion act that kept us from going into
a depression, making us -- putting us in a
position where I was able to end roe --
excuse me, able to end the issue of gun
sales in terms of assault weapons.
And so
the question is, who is best prepared? We
all have good ideas. The question is, who is
going to be able to get it done? How can you
get it done? And I'm not suggesting they
can't, but I'm suggesting that that's what
we should look at. And part of that requires
you not being vague. Tell people what it's
going to cost, how you're going to do it,
and why you're going to do it. That's the
way to get it done. Presidents are supposed
to be able to persuade.
COOPER:
Just to clarify, Vice President, who are you
saying is being vague?
BIDEN:
Well, the senator said -- she's being vague
on the issue of -- actually, both are being
vague on the issue of Medicare for all. No,
look, here's the deal. Come on. It costs $30
trillion. Guess what? That's over $3
trillion -- it's more than the entire
federal budget -- let me finish, OK?
COOPER:
You'll both get in.
BIDEN:
If you eliminated the entire Pentagon, every
single thing, plane, ship, troop, the
buildings, everything, satellites, it would
get you -- it would pay for a total of four
months. Four months. Where do you get the
rest? Where does it come from?
SANDERS:
Two things. Let me explain in two ways.
COOPER:
Senator Sanders, respond.
SANDERS:
Joe, you talked about working with
Republicans and getting things done. But you
know what you also got done? And I say this
as a good friend. You got the disastrous war
in Iraq done. You got a bankruptcy bill,
which is hurting middle-class families all
over this country. You got trade agreements,
like NAFTA and PNTR, with China done, which
have cost us 4 million jobs.
Now,
let's get to Medicare for all. Let's be
honest. We spend twice as much per person as
do the people of any other major country on
Earth. And the answer is, if we have the
guts that I would like to see the Democratic
Party have that guts, to stand up to the
drug companies and the insurance companies
and tell them that the function of health
care is to guarantee care to all people, not
to make $100 billion in profit.
COOPER:
Thank you, Senator.
SANDERS:
If we stood together, we could create the
greatest health care system in the world.
COOPER:
Vice President Biden, you can respond, and
then Senator Warren.
BIDEN:
We can do that without Medicare for all. We
can do that by adding a public option.
SANDERS:
No.
BIDEN:
We can.
SANDERS:
No, you can't.
BIDEN:
And we can afford to do it.
SANDERS:
You've got to take on the greed and the
profiteering of the health care industry.
BIDEN:
By the way, the greed and...
COOPER:
Let him respond. Mr. Vice President?
BIDEN:
The greed and profiteering of those
insurance companies, they are as much
against my bill as they are anybody else.
They were strongly against Obamacare. They
know it cost them. And it's going to take
away the right of people to choose, the 160
million people out there who've negotiated
their health insurance, and they want to
keep it. They should have a right to keep
it.
COOPER:
Senator Warren, your response?
WARREN:
So you started this question with how you
got something done. You know, following the
financial crash of 2008, I had an idea for a
consumer agency that would keep giant banks
from cheating people. And all of the
Washington insiders and strategic geniuses
said, don't even try, because you will never
get it passed.
And
sure enough, the big banks fought us. The
Republicans fought us. Some of the Democrats
fought us. But we got that agency passed
into law. It has now forced big banks to
return more than $12 billion directly to
people they cheated.
I
served in the Obama administration. I know
what we can do by executive authority, and I
will use it. In Congress, on the first day,
I will pass my anti-corruption bill, which
will beat back the influence of money...
COOPER:
Thank you, Senator.
WARREN:
... and repeal the filibuster. And the
third, we want to get something done in
America, we have to get out there and
fight...
COOPER:
Thank you, Senator.
WARREN:
... for the things that touch people's
lives.
COOPER:
Mayor...
BIDEN:
I agree. Let me -- she referenced me. I
agreed with the great job she did, and I
went on the floor and got you votes. I got
votes for that bill. I convinced people to
vote for it. So let's get those things
straight, too.
COOPER:
Senator Warren, do you want to respond?
(APPLAUSE)
WARREN:
I am deeply grateful to President Obama, who
fought so hard to make sure that agency was
passed into law, and I am deeply grateful to
every single person who fought for it and
who helped pass it into law. But
understand...
BIDEN:
You did a hell of a job in your job.
WARREN:
Thank you.
(LAUGHTER)
But
understand this. It was a dream big, fight
hard. People told me, go for something
little, go for something small, go for
something that the big corporations will be
able to accept.
COOPER:
Thank you, Senator.
WARREN:
I said, no, let's go for an agency that will
make structural change in our economy.
COOPER:
Senator, thank you.
WARREN:
And President Obama said, I will fight for
that, and he sometimes had to fight against
people in his own administration. We have...
BIDEN:
Not me.
WARREN:
We have to be willing to make good, big,
structural change.
COOPER:
Mayor Buttigieg, which is the right vision
for a Democrat to beat Donald Trump? That's
the essential question.
BUTTIGIEG:
If I had a buck for every argument that I've
witnessed like this, I could pay for college
for everybody. We need to move past what has
been consuming this whole political space
for as long as I've been alive.
We're
being offered a false choice. I don't agree
with the vice president that Trump is an
aberration. I don't agree that there's any
such thing as back to normal. Because here
in the industrial Midwest, definitely where
I live, normal didn't work. That's part of
how we got here. That's part of how a guy
like Donald Trump managed to get within
cheating distance of the Oval Office in the
first place.
But I
also don't agree with Senator Warren that
the only way forward is infinite partisan
combat. Yes, we have to fight -- absolutely,
we have to fight for the big changes at
hand, but it's going to take more than
fighting. Once again, I want to take you
back to that day after Trump has stopped
being president. Think about what the
president can do to unify a new American
majority for some of the boldest things
we've attempted in my lifetime -- Medicare
for all who want it, actually getting
something done on immigration for the first
time since the '80s, an assault weapons ban,
which would be a huge deal, making college
free for low- and middle-income students.
Yet
there are some here on this stage who say it
doesn't count unless we go even further,
free college for low- and middle-income
students isn't good enough unless we're also
paying for the children of billionaires.
Immigration reform isn't enough unless we
also decriminalize border crossings. We have
an opportunity to do the biggest things
we've done...
COOPER:
Thank you, Mayor.
BUTTIGIEG:
... in my lifetime...
COOPER:
Senator?
BIDEN:
I did not say back to normal.
(CROSSTALK)
COOPER:
Thank you, Mayor. Senator Klobuchar? Senator
Klobuchar?
(CROSSTALK)
KLOBUCHAR:
Thank you. You know, this isn't a flyover
part of the country to me. The heartland is
where I live. And I want to win those states
that we lost last time, and I have bold
ideas to get us there. And I think just
because they're different than Elizabeth's
doesn't mean they're bold.
But we
can't get any of this done on climate change
or immigration reform unless they win. And
what I have done is win and the only one up
here, time and time again, the reddest of
red districts, Michele Bachmann's, I -- I
won that district three times, rural
districts that border Iowa and North and
South Dakota. And I do it by going not just
where it's comfortable but where it's
uncomfortable.
And
that is why I have been in Pennsylvania and
in Michigan and in Wisconsin and all over
Ohio and in Iowa, because I think we need to
build a blue Democratic wall around those
states and make Donald Trump pay for it.
COOPER:
Thank you. Senator Warren, she referenced
you, so you can respond.
WARREN:
Now, people who are struggling to pay health
care are fighting today. People who are
getting crushed by student loans are in a
fight today. People who are getting stopped
by the police or paid less because of the
color of their skin are in a fight today.
And
anyone who doesn't understand that Americans
are already in these fights is not someone
who is likely to win them. For me, this is
about knowing what's broken, knowing how to
fix it, and, yes, I'm willing to get out
there and fight for it.
COOPER:
Senator Sanders...
BUTTIGIEG:
There's a missing people, and that is...
(CROSSTALK)
COOPER:
Senator Sanders, why is your approach more
likely to beat President Trump?
SANDERS:
I'll tell you why.
COOPER:
Please respond.
SANDERS:
And here's the radical reason why. It's what
the American people want.
WARREN:
Yes.
SANDERS:
All right, the American people do not want
tax breaks for billionaires. They want the
rich to start paying their fair share of
taxes. A poll came out yesterday, 71 percent
of Democrats support Medicare for all. The
people of this country understand that we've
got to make public colleges and universities
tuition-free. And more and more Americans,
including Republicans, understand we need
bold action if we're going to save this
planet for our children and our
grandchildren.
The way
you win an election in this time in history
is not the same old, same old. You have to
inspire people. You have to excite people.
You've got to bring working people and young
people and poor people into the political
process...
COOPER:
Thank you. Thank you.
SANDERS:
... because they know you stand for them,
not corporate America.
(APPLAUSE)
COOPER:
Congressman O'Rourke, is political
revolution what the American people want?
Your response.
O'ROURKE:
There was some talk about getting big things
done. When I was first elected to Congress,
I found that El Paso, Texas, had the worst
wait times in the country to see a mental
health care provider at the V.A. I don't
know how sensational or exciting that was to
everyone in the country or even most people
in El Paso, but it was important to those
veterans who I serve.
So we
set about turning around the V.A., hiring up
the psychiatrists and psychologists and
therapists to take care of those women and
men who had put their lives on the line for
this country. And we were able to do that,
and we took what we learned, and we applied
it to a national law as a member of the
minority working with Republicans and
Democrats alike to expand mental health care
access for veterans nationally.
And
then in Texas, one of what was thought to be
the reddest states in the country, going to
every single county...
COOPER:
Thank you, Congressman.
O'ROURKE:
... talking about this progressive agenda,
and winning more votes than any Democrat has
ever won, that's the way that we defeat
Donald Trump in November of 2020.
COOPER:
Congressman O'Rourke, thank you. We have to
take a quick break. The CNN-New York Times
debate live from Ohio will continue right
after this.
(COMMERCIAL
BREAK)
COOPER:
We are back with the CNN-New York Times
Democratic presidential debate. We have time
for one more question that we would like all
of you to weigh in on.
Last
week, Ellen DeGeneres was criticized after
she and former President George W. Bush were
seen laughing together at a football game.
Ellen defended their friendship, saying,
we're all different and I think that we've
forgotten that that's OK that we're all
different.
So in
that spirit, we'd like you to tell us about
a friendship that you've had that would
surprise us and what impact it's had on you
and your beliefs.
Secretary
Castro, let's begin with you.
CASTRO:
Well, first of all, thank you to Marc, thank
you, Anderson, and thank you, Erin, and CNN, and New York Times
and everybody who is here tonight.
You
know, some of the most interesting
friendships that I've had have been with
people different from me, either people
older than me that had a lot to teach me, or
people who grew up very different from me.
Also, teachers, as I was growing up, people
that had a life experience that when I was
growing up was beyond mine.
And
sometimes also -- and this goes to the heart
of your question, I think -- people who
thought differently from me, folks that I
considered and have considered friends, and
I think that there's a value to that. I
think that that should be reflected more in
our public life.
I also
believe, to just speak about the incident
last week with Ellen and George W. Bush, I
completely understood what she was saying
about being kind to others. I believe that
we should be more kind to other folks.
I also
believe that we should hold people to
account for what they've done, especially
public servants who have a record of having
done something or not done something. And I
think that we can do both of those things. I
think that we can be kind to people and also
hold them accountable for their actions.
And
there are people, whether it's our former
president, George W. Bush, or others that
should be held accountable. Just as we
should be kind, we shouldn't be made to feel
shameful about holding people accountable
for what they've done.
COOPER:
Congresswoman Gabbard?
GABBARD:
Thank you. You know, where I come from in
Hawaii, many of you know, we greet each
other with "aloha." It's not a word that
means hello and goodbye. It actually means
something much more powerful than that. It
means I come to you with respect and a
recognition that we're all connected, we're
all brothers and sisters, we're all God's
children.
So I've
developed friendships that some people may
be surprised about within the Washington
circles, especially, with Republicans, like
Trey Gowdy, for example. He and I disagree a
lot and very strongly on a lot of political
issues. We've developed a friendship that's
based on respect. And he's been there for me
during some personally challenging times.
The
challenge before us today is that our
country is very divided. Donald Trump must
be defeated. But we must do more than just
defeat Donald Trump. We need to deliver a
win for the American people. We must stand
united as Americans, remembering that we are
all brothers and sisters, that we are all
connected. This is the kind of leadership
that I seek to bring as president, inspired
by the example of presidents like Abraham
Lincoln, who talked about how we should have
malice for none and charity for all.
When I
look out at our country, I don't see
deplorables, I see fellow Americans, people
who I treat with respect, even when we
disagree and when we disagree strongly. I
will work to restore a White House that
represents light and compassion and respect
for every American regardless of race,
religion, orientation, gender, or political
affiliation.
So I
want to ask everyone to join me. Join me in
bringing about this government of, by, and
for the people that serves all the people of
this country. You can visit my website, tulsi2020.com,
for more information.
COOPER:
Thank you, Congresswoman.
Senator
Klobuchar?
KLOBUCHAR:
For me, it's John McCain, and I miss him
every day. I traveled all over the world
with him. And he would sometimes, when we
were seated with world leaders, and they
would look away from me, he'd say, "Senator
Klobuchar is the lead Democrat on this trip,
and she will go next."
And I
still remember being there at his ranch.
John and I went to visit him and Cindy when
he was dying. And he pointed to some words
in his book, because he could hardly talk.
And the words says this: "There is nothing
more liberating in life than fighting for a
cause larger than yourself."
That's
what we're doing right now. And while we
have had major debates about policy, we have
to remember that what unites us is so much
bigger than what divides us. And we have to
remember that our job is to not just change
policy, but to change the tone in our
politics, to look up from our phones, to
look at each other, to start talking to each
other, because the way we win -- and not
just win the presidency, but take back the
U.S. Senate -- is by winning big.
And the
way we win big is with that fired up
Democratic base that's out there today, but
it is also about bringing in independents
and moderate Republicans. I can lead this.
And I ask you to join me because I've done
it before and I will do it again, amyklobuchar.com.
Join our team. Thank you.
COOPER:
Senator, thank you very much.
(APPLAUSE)
Mr.
Steyer, tell us about your most surprising
friendship.
STEYER:
So I'm friends with a woman from Denmark,
South Carolina, named Deanna Berry, who's
fighting for clean water and environmental
justice in her community. She's a different
gender. She's a different race. She's from a
different part of the country. But she
reminds me of my parents in terms of her
courage and her optimism and her honor.
My
mother was a schoolteacher in the New York
Public Schools and in the Brooklyn House of
Detention. My father was the first
generation in his family to go to college.
My grandfather was a plumber. He interrupted
his law degree to go into the Navy in World
War II and he ended up prosecuting the Nazis
at Nuremberg. And when I asked him what that
experience meant, he said, when you see
something wrong in your society, you fight
it from the first day and every single day
after.
And
that's why I started the Need to Impeach
movement two years ago, because there was
something terribly wrong at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue. And over 10 years ago,
I saw that there was a terrible threat to
the safety and health of every American in
terms of the climate crisis. And I've been
fighting those companies with the help of
the American people ever since successfully,
and that's why I'm running for the
president, because our government has
failed, it's been bought by corporations,
and it's absolutely essential to return
power to the people.
I have
been doing exactly what my parents taught me
to do, which is to take on the biggest
problems in America directly and fight for
them every single day.
COOPER:
Thank you, Mr. Steyer.
(APPLAUSE)
Congressman
O'Rourke?
O'ROURKE:
I've always tried to bring people in to the
solutions that we have to our common
challenges, regardless of the differences. I
did that as a small-business owner more than
20 years ago, making sure that we could get
a small tech company off the ground in El
Paso, Texas.
Did it
as a member of the City Council, where I saw
my colleagues not as Republicans or
Democrats, but my fellow El Pasoans who had
a responsibility to deliver for our
community.
As a
member of Congress, I remember being in San
Antonio. I was visiting the V.A. there,
March of 2017. Found that my flight had been
snowed in, in Washington, D.C. I happened to
be in the elevator with a Republican member
of Congress, Will Hurd. And on a whim, I
said, do you want to just rent a car and
drive from San Antonio to Washington?
And he
called my bluff. We got in that Chevy
Impala, last car on the lot. It was spring
break. Drove 1,600 miles across the country.
Live streamed the conversation, a Republican
and a Democrat finding out what we had in
common.
By the
end of that trip, not only had we formed a
friendship, but we had formed trust. We
worked with each other on each other's
bills. I got Will to work with me on an
immigration bill, showing party leaders from
either side that Republicans and Democrats
could work together on an otherwise
contentious issue.
And
then across Texas, I mentioned winning more
votes than any Democrat. We won independents
and Republicans in record numbers, as well.
I will bring people in and together to face
the common challenges that we have and to
make sure that America rises to this
opportunity.
COOPER:
Senator Booker, tell us about your most
surprising friendship.
BOOKER:
Well, look, I have so many, I don't even
know where to count. I was the mayor of a
large city with a Republican governor. He
and I had to form a friendship, even though
I can write a dissertation on our
disagreements. When I got to the United
States Senate, I went there with the purpose
of making friendships across the aisle.
I go to
Bible study in Chairman Inhofe's office. He
and I pass legislation together to help
homeless and foster kids. I went out to try
to invite every one of my Republican
colleagues to dinner. And let me again say,
finding a dinner at a restaurant, agreeing
on one with Ted Cruz was a very difficult
thing. I'm a vegan, and he's a meat-eating
Texan.
But
I'll tell you this right now, this is the
moment in America that this is our test. The
spirit of our country, I believe in the
values of rugged individualism and
self-reliance, but think about our history.
Rugged individualism didn't get us to the
Moon. It didn't beat the Nazis. It didn't
map the human genome. It didn't beat Jim
Crow. Everything we did in this country big.
And,
Vice President, we have done so many big
things. The fact that there's an openly gay
man, a black woman, all of us on the stage
are because we in the past are all
inheritors of a legacy of common struggle
and common purpose.
This
election is not a referendum on one guy in
one office. It's a referendum on who we are
and who we must be to each other. The next
leader is going to have to be one amongst us
Democrats that can unite us all, not throw
elbows at other Democrats that are unfair,
because the preparation is being the leader
that can revive civic of grace in our
country, teach us a more courageous empathy,
and remind America that patriotism is love
of country, and you cannot love your country
unless you love your fellow countrymen and
women.
And
love is not sentimentality. It's not anemic.
Love is struggle. Love is sacrifice. Love is
the words of our founders who said at the
end of the Declaration of Independence that
if we're ever going to make it as a nation,
we must mutually pledge to each other...
COOPER:
Thank you.
BOOKER:
... our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred
honor. I am running for president to restore
that sacred honor.
COOPER:
Thank you.
BOOKER:
And if you believe in that like I do, please
join me by going to corybooker.com.
Thank you.
(APPLAUSE)
COOPER:
Thank you, Senator. Mr. Yang?
YANG:
First, I want to thank all the voters tuned
in at home. And if you don't feel like you
answered your -- you got your question
answered tonight, it's understandable. There
are 12 of us.
I'm
going to be answering voter questions for 10
straight hours this Friday. My web site, yang2020.com.
And if you ask your question tonight,
there's a better chance I'll get to it.
My
surprising friendship, it's been so much fun
running for president, because I've gotten
to meet so many Americans I never would have
gotten to meet otherwise. The friendship
that sticks out for me is a guy named Fred,
who's an avid Trump supporter, a trucker. He
let me ride in his truck for hours. He spent
some time in jail. I heard about his
experiences trying to get other people off
of drugs.
And I'm
happy to say that, after our ride together,
he actually said that he would move from
Donald Trump to my campaign, which was a
thrill for me. And we remained in touch ever
since.
The
truth is that what happened to the 4 million
manufacturing workers here in Ohio and
Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and
Iowa did not care about our political party.
The fourth industrial revolution is now
migrating from manufacturing workers to
retail, call centers, transportation, as
well as to white-collar workers like
attorneys, pharmacists, and radiologists. It
does not care about our party.
Donald
Trump had a set of solutions in 2016. What
did he say? He said we're going to build a
wall, we're going to turn the clock back,
we're going to bring the old jobs back.
America, we have to do the opposite of all
of these things. We have to turn the clock
forward. We have to accelerate our economy
and society as quickly as possible. We have
to evolve in the way we think about
ourselves and our work and our value. It is
not left. It is not right. It is forward.
And that is where we must take the country
in 2020.
(APPLAUSE)
COOPER:
Mr. Yang, thank you very much. Senator
Harris?
HARRIS:
Thank you. Probably Rand Paul. He and I --
actually, I invited him to join me on a bill
to end the money bail system in the United
States. He and I agree on almost nothing,
but we agree on that. And after we joined
forces, he said to me, "Kamala, you know,
Appalachia loves this." And it really made
the point that the vast majority of us have
so much more in common than what separates
us.
And I
guess that's why I'm running. I do believe
that to beat Donald Trump, but also to heal
our country, we need a leader who has the
ability to unify our country and see that
the vast majority of us have so much more in
common than what separates us.
And
I'll tell you, my mother was 19 when she
left India alone. And she wanted to travel
to learn science because her mission in life
was to cure cancer. And so she arrived in
California. She got -- you know, she was
supposed to have an arranged marriage, but
she got involved in the civil rights
movement, she met my father, and that
produced my sister and me. They got married.
But when I was five, that marriage ended.
But my
mother convinced us that we could do
anything. And so I became the first woman
attorney general of California, the second
black woman elected to the United States
Senate, and I will tell you, that's part of
why I'm running, because Donald Trump, if he
had his way, my story would not be possible.
And I am running to make sure that that
dream, the American dream, American values,
American ideas will always hold true.
And so
that's what is at stake in this election.
And I believe I am uniquely able to see the
commonalities among us and to speak the
story of the American dream and the need to
reclaim it.
(APPLAUSE)
COOPER:
Thank you, Senator Harris. Mayor Buttigieg?
BUTTIGIEG:
Well, I think about the friendships that I
formed in the military, people who were
radically different from me, different
generation, different race, definitely
different politics. And we learned to trust
each other with our lives.
When
they got into my vehicle and when we went
outside the wire, they didn't care if I was
going home to a boyfriend or a girlfriend,
they didn't care what country my dad
immigrated from and whether he was
documented or not. We just learned to trust
each other.
In
fact, the fact that I want every American to
have that experience without having to go to
war to get there is one of the reasons why I
believe national service is so important. I
guess I'll follow in the pattern tonight and
point out you can go to peteforamerica.com and
read all about it.
It's
also about building a sense of belonging in
this country, because I think that's what
friendship and that's what service can
create. And I think we have a crisis of
belonging in this country that is helping to
explain so many of our problems, from our
politics being what it is to the fact that
people are self-medicating and we're seeing
a rise in the deaths from despair.
I
believe only the president can build a sense
of belonging and purpose for the entire
country. The purpose of the presidency is
not the glorification of the president. It
is the unification of the American people.
And I'm asking for your vote to be that
president, when the dust clears over the
rubble of our norms and institutions at the
end of the Trump presidency, pick up the
pieces and guide us toward a better future.
(APPLAUSE)
COOPER:
Mr. Mayor, thank you. Senator Sanders?
SANDERS:
When I was chairman of the Senate Committee
on Veterans Affairs, I tried to get through
the most comprehensive piece of veterans
legislation in modern American history. And
I failed. I only had two Republicans to vote
with me in the Senate. So we had to go back
to the drawing board.
And I
worked with John McCain. I certainly did not
get in that legislation working with McCain
all that I wanted. But it turned out that we
were able to pass a very, very significant
piece of legislation, including $5 billion
more for the Veterans Administration.
More
recently, I worked with a very conservative
Republican from Utah, Mike Lee. And Mike
understood, although he and I disagree on
everything, that the U.S. involvement in the
Saudi-led war in Yemen was a catastrophic
disaster for the people of Yemen. And for
the first time in 45 years, we were able to
get the War Powers Act utilized and get U.S.
-- get the votes to get the U.S. troops out
of that area.
But I
think, at the end of day, what I appreciate
is that we have got to end the hatred that
Trump is fostering on our people, the
divisiveness, trying to divide us up by the
color of our skin or where we were born or
our sexual orientation or our religion.
And
there is no job that I would undertake with
more passion than bringing our people
together around an agenda that works for
every man, woman, and child in this country
rather than the corporate elite and the 1
percent. A progressive agenda that stands
for all is the way that we transform this
country.
(APPLAUSE)
COOPER:
Senator Sanders, thank you. Senator Warren?
WARREN:
You ask about a surprising friend. For me,
it would be Charles Fried. Twenty-seven
years ago, when I was under consideration
for a job, he was someone who had been
George Bush, the first, solicitor general, a
deeply principled Republican.
And we
didn't agree on much. I was far more liberal
than he was. But he also was willing to
listen to my work about what's happening to
America's middle class. And Charles engaged
with it over and over and ultimately is the
person who made sure I got the job.
You
know, I grew up out in Oklahoma. I have
three elder brothers. They all served in the
military. Two of the three are still
Republicans. I love all three of my
brothers. And there are a lot of things that
we're divided on, but there are core things
that we believe in together.
We want
to see all of our children get a good start
in life. We don't want to see any of our
friends or neighbors not get covered by
health care. We're willing to get out there
for the things we believe in.
Look,
people across this country, whether they're
Democrats, independents, or Republicans,
they know what's broken. They know that we
have an America that's working better and
better and better for a thinner and thinner
and thinner slice at the top and leaving
everyone else behind.
People
across this country, regardless of party,
are ready to say no more, we want an America
that works for everyone. 2020 is our moment
in history. It is a deep honor to be here,
to be in this fight.
COOPER:
Thank you.
WARREN:
I know what's broken. I know how to fix it.
And we are building a grassroots movement to
get it done that includes everyone.
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COOPER:
Thank you, Senator Warren. Vice President
Biden?
BIDEN:
This is reassuring in the fact that we're
all acknowledging that we have to reach
across the aisle, get things done. No other
way to get anything done in this country.
The two
people maybe would surprise you the most
were -- he's been mentioned twice, but John
McCain. John McCain worked for me when he
worked in the Navy, and he was -- he was my
assigned to me to travel around the world.
We became close friends. He became very
close friends with my wife, Jill. Visited
our home. He was there with his children.
And on
his death bed, he asked me to do his eulogy.
John, I would say to John, "John, you didn't
see a war you never wanted to fight." And
he'd say, "You didn't see a problem you
never wanted to solve." But he was a great
man of principle. He was honorable. He was
honorable.
And one
of the things -- that's the reason why I'm
running. We have to restore the soul of this
country. That's why I'm doing this. In fact,
this president has ripped the soul out of
this country, divided us in ways that are
absolutely outrageous. A liar, he cheats, he
does not do anything to promote people
generally.
Secondly,
we have to rebuild the middle class. The
only way we're going to do that is to be
able to reach across the aisle. My dad used
to say a job is about a lot more than a
paycheck, Joey. It's about your dignity. We
have to restore people's dignity.
And
lastly, we have to unite the country,
because, folks, it's time we stopped walking
around with our heads down. We are better
positioned than any country in the world to
own the 21st century. So for god's sake, get
up. Get up and remember, there is the United
States of America. There's nothing, nothing
we're unable to do when we decide we're
going to do it. Nothing at all. Period.
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COOPER:
Candidates, thank you. That concludes the
fourth Democratic presidential debate. We
want to thank Otterbein University for
hosting us. Now please stay tuned to CNN for
special coverage of tonight's debate with
Jake Tapper and Chris Cuomo.
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